Fibroid Pressing on the Bladder — Free SCA Practice Case
Woman with fibroids whose main problem is needing the toilet
Station Timer
Golden Minute
Initial Introduction
•Introduce yourself
•Ask an open question — "How can I help you today?"
•Listen — don't interrupt
•Catch early cues
Data Gathering
History, ICE & Diagnosis
Clinical Management
Diagnosis, Plan & Decisions
Safety Net
Follow-up & Close
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Materials for Candidate
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Full Name
Charmaine Gayle
Age
46 years
Consultation Type
TelephoneAge
46
Situation
Telephone Consultation. Scan result.
Reason for Encounter
"Scan results. Still needing the toilet all the time."
Medical Records
- ●PMH: Two vaginal deliveries.
- ●Medications: Ibuprofen 400 mg when needed.
- ●Allergies: NKDA.
- ●Social: Court usher. Non smoker.
Recent Notes
- ●GP, 4 weeks ago: Six months of frequency and nocturia. Dipstick negative. Firm, non tender pelvic mass, uterus about 16 weeks' size.
- ●Bloods: Hb 131 g/L, HbA1c 37, eGFR above 90, CA125 18 IU/mL.
- ●Pelvic ultrasound, 5 days ago: Anterior intramural fibroid 9.2 x 8.4 x 7.9 cm indenting the bladder dome. Endometrium 6 mm. Ovaries and kidneys normal.
Patient Script
For the friend playing the patient role
Character Overview: You are Charmaine Gayle, a 46 year old court usher who has worked at the Crown Court for eleven years. You call the cases, look after witnesses and keep order in the courtroom, and you love the job. You are taking this call in the ushers' room at lunch. You are brisk, warm and good humoured, but a little embarrassed talking about your bladder.
For about six months you have needed to pass urine roughly every hour in the day, and you now wake twice a night, when a year ago you slept right through. When you need to go, you need to go within a few minutes, but only a small amount comes out. The scan showed a fibroid, and the person doing it said your GP would go through it.
You think your bladder has simply got weaker with age, the way your late mum's did, and because your periods are fine you assume the fibroid has nothing to do with it. On court days you cut right back on drinks, then make up for it in the evening. Last month you did not quite make it to the toilet during a sitting. Colleagues say fibroids shrink after the change, so you hope to leave it alone until then. Underneath, you dread being sent to hospital and told you need your womb out, because you could not be off work for weeks and your dad depends on you every evening.
You do not volunteer the leak in court, how little you drink in the day, your dad, or your fear of an operation until the doctor asks about them.
Opening Sentence: "Hello, thanks for ringing. It's meant to be about my scan, but honestly the thing that's driving me mad is the toilet. I'm going about every hour and I'm up twice in the night. They said the scan found a fibroid, but my periods are fine, so I'm hoping we can just sort my bladder out."
History if Asked (Data Gathering Phase)
- ●How often she goes, and since when: "In the day it's about every hour. At night I'm up twice. A year ago I'd sleep right through. It's crept up on me over about six months."
- ●Amounts and urgency: "I feel desperate and then there's hardly anything there. I've got a few minutes at most to get there."
- ●Leaking (if asked about leaks or accidents, or how it affects her at work): Her voice drops, embarrassed. "Once. Last month. A witness was halfway through giving evidence and I couldn't leave, and by the time the judge rose I didn't quite make it. Only a little, but I was mortified." No leaking with coughing, sneezing or laughing, only when desperate.
- ●The flow and emptying (if asked): "No problems there. It comes out fine, I don't have to push, and I feel empty afterwards. I just need to go again an hour later."
- ●What she drinks (if asked about drinks, fluid or caffeine): "On a court day I have two cups of tea before I leave at half seven, then hardly anything, a few sips at lunch. I daren't drink more. When I get home I'm parched, so I have a big glass of squash, a couple more cups of tea, and I take a glass of water up to bed." On days off she drinks more normally and is still up and down. Only tea, no coffee. Not thirsty all the time.
- ●Her tummy (if asked about swelling, fullness or pressure): "My work trousers feel a bit snug at the front. I put that down to middle age spread. And there's a heavy feeling low down by the end of the day."
- ●Her periods (if asked): "Every 27 or 28 days, like clockwork, five days. The first two are a bit heavier but I never flood. A couple of ibuprofen on the first day and that's it." No bleeding between periods or after sex. No hot flushes, night sweats or change in her periods yet. Her mum's periods went on until about 55.
- ●Other symptoms: All negative, answered briefly: burning, blood in the urine, fever, being unable to pass urine, bowel change, bloating, early fullness, appetite or weight change, pelvic pain (only the heavy feeling), pain during sex, discharge, dizziness, breathlessness, swollen legs. She is tired from being up in the night, and has always had a dull ache low in her back after a long day on her feet.
Ideas, Concerns, Expectations
Gating note: Charmaine raises none of this herself. Each part comes out only when the doctor asks what she thinks is going on, what is worrying her, or what she was hoping for.
- ●Ideas: She thinks her bladder has worn out with age, like her mum's. If asked: "My mum had a weak bladder for years. Loads of the women at work have got fibroids, and my periods are fine, so I didn't think it had anything to do with it."
- ●Concerns: Her first worry is work. If asked: "In court I can't just walk out in the middle of someone's evidence. I've had to ask the other usher to cover me twice this month." If the doctor explores why waiting matters to her, the deeper worry comes out: "I don't want to go anywhere near an operation. If the hospital gets hold of me they'll want to take my womb out, and that's weeks off work. And who's going to do Dad's tea? He had a stroke two years ago and can't cook for himself. My brother's in Birmingham, so it's all me."
- ●Expectations: She wants a tablet for her bladder and to leave the fibroid alone. If asked: "I was hoping for a tablet to calm my bladder down so I can get through a sitting, and to leave the fibroid be until the change."
Medical History, Social History and Lifestyle Impact
Gating note: Charmaine answers each of these plainly when the doctor asks, and mentions the work and home details naturally when the conversation turns to them, not as a speech.
- ●Medical: No other health problems or operations. Two normal deliveries, Nathan (19) and Simone (15), family complete, Delroy had the snip. Only ibuprofen on the first day of a period. No allergies. Smear fine last year. Mum had diabetes and the weak bladder. Nobody has had fibroids that she knows of.
- ●Work: Sittings run from about ten until one and from two until half past four, and she has to stay in court while one is on. The lunch adjournment is her main chance to use the toilet and have a drink.
- ●Home: Lives with Delroy, a lift engineer who starts early, Nathan (an apprentice gas engineer) and Simone (Year 11). Her dad Lloyd, 78, lives alone round the corner, and she cooks his tea every evening.
- ●Lifestyle: "I plan my whole day around toilets now. I've stopped going to the Saturday market because I don't know where the loos are." A glass of wine on a Saturday. Never smoked.
Responses to Management (The Negotiation Phase)
- ●If the doctor explains that the fibroid is about 9 cm and pressing on her bladder:
- ●Reaction: Surprised, then it clicks. "So that's why I'm going all the time? Well, that explains the trousers. But I've heard they shrink after the change. Can't I just wait for that?" If told the timing is uncertain: "Years of this? I'm not sure I can do years of it." If promised it will shrink soon, or that the change is a year or two away, she relaxes: "Oh, that's not so bad. I'll just put up with it then."
- ●If the doctor recommends a referral to the gynaecology clinic, or says a hysterectomy is the answer:
- ●Reaction: Wary. "The hospital? They'll just want to take my womb out. I can't be off for weeks." If told it is a chance to talk through options, that some keep the womb, and that nothing will be booked without her agreement, she agrees: "If it's just a conversation, I'll go." If told hysterectomy is the only fix: "No. I'm not having my womb out, not with Dad how he is."
- ●If the doctor sets out both choices (waiting with a review, or referral) and asks which she prefers:
- ●Reaction: Torn. "Could I try sorting my drinks out first and see how I go? If I'm no better when we next speak, you can send me." If the doctor accepts, she is relieved: "Thank you. I just want to try it my way first." If the doctor recommends referral now and has made clear nothing is booked unless she agrees, she accepts: "Go on then. As long as it's just a chat."
- ●If the doctor explains specialist treatments, or suggests a hormonal coil, the pill or a period tablet:
- ●Reaction: Practical questions. "The one where they block the blood supply, is that an operation?" About a coil or the pill: "But my periods aren't the problem. Would that help my bladder?"
- ●If the doctor offers a bladder tablet, advises drinking more in the day, or suggests a diary, bladder training or help at work:
- ●Reaction: Keen on a tablet: "Will it shrink the fibroid, though, or just calm the bladder?" On drinking more: "But if I drink more in the day I'll be running out of court even more!" She accepts it if told that drinking too little can make the bladder worse. She will keep a diary on her phone and try bladder training gently on her days off. She welcomes a letter for her manager but does not want to be off work.
- ●If the doctor gives safety netting, or asks her to check anything over the phone:
- ●Reaction: To vague advice such as "come back if it gets worse": "Worse how? I'm already going every hour. What would mean I need to ring you the same day?" To specific warning signs she repeats them back. She declines to press on her tummy with people coming in and out. Once a plan is agreed: "And it won't squash my kidneys? The scan said something about kidneys." If growth after the change is mentioned: "Why would it grow if it's meant to shrink?"
Mark Scheme
Domain 1: Data Gathering and Diagnosis
Domain 2: Clinical Management and Medical Complexity
Domain 3: Relating to Others
Clinical Learning Points
The Core Dilemma: Pressure Symptoms With Normal Periods
- ●Charmaine's problem is not bleeding. A 9 cm fibroid at the front of the womb presses on her bladder, so she passes small amounts often, has urgency and wakes twice a night. Because her periods are normal she assumes the fibroid is irrelevant and her bladder is ageing.
- ●The task is to link the scan to her symptoms, answer honestly whether she can wait, and offer the right route to treatment. Model plan: explain the fibroid and her results, say that waiting is a legitimate informed choice, offer a routine gynaecology referral, correct her fluid pattern, start a bladder diary and bladder training, offer work support, safety net specifically and review in about six weeks.
- ●Also acceptable: referral now, a defined trial of bladder measures with referral at review, an urgent (not suspected cancer) referral, or an offer of referral that she declines in favour of waiting. Pushing surgery, or simply saying "wait it out", is what fails.
Fibroids: What They Are and How They Behave
- ●Fibroids (leiomyomas) are the commonest benign tumour in women: firm growths of smooth muscle in the womb wall (NICE CKS Fibroids). They are described as submucosal (into the cavity, most linked to heavy bleeding), intramural (in the wall) or subserosal (on the outer surface, able to grow large). Hers is intramural with a subserosal component and does not distort the cavity, which fits normal periods.
- ●CKS lists bladder and bowel compression as complications: frequency, urgency, incontinence, retention and urine infection. Large fibroids can compress a ureter, which is why her kidneys were checked.
- ●Once formed, fibroids tend to persist until the menopause and then usually shrink; only about 3 to 7% regress before it. Shrinkage can be limited by calcification or delayed by HRT.
Reading Her Results
- ●The scan shows a single anterior fibroid indenting the bladder dome, normal ovaries, a regular endometrium and no hydronephrosis. With a firm, regular, non tender enlarged uterus on examination this is a typical fibroid picture.
- ●Other causes were looked for: a negative dipstick, normal HbA1c, kidney function and calcium. Hb 131 g/L shows no anaemia.
- ●CA125 was sent because NICE NG12 asks for it in women of 40 or over with persistent urinary frequency or urgency that could suggest ovarian cancer. NG12 now uses age specific thresholds, and for ages 40 to 49 an urgent ultrasound follows a result of 35 IU/mL or more. Hers is 18 and her ovaries are normal. NG12 reserves the suspected cancer pathway for a pelvic mass that is not obviously fibroids, so a routine referral is right here.
Assessing the Bladder Symptoms
- ●Characterise frequency, nocturia, urgency, volumes, leakage type and voiding symptoms. NICE NG123 recommends a urine dipstick, a bladder diary for at least 3 days covering work and leisure days, and a post void residual scan when voiding symptoms suggest incomplete emptying. Charmaine empties normally, so a residual scan is not needed now.
- ●Always ask what and when the patient drinks. She restricts fluid through court sittings and takes most of it in the evening, which feeds her night waking. NICE notes that both too little and too much fluid can worsen symptoms.
- ●Visible haematuria in a woman of 45 or over without infection needs a suspected cancer pathway referral (NG12), so it belongs in her safety net.
Can She Wait for the Menopause?
- ●Yes, if she chooses to. The fibroid is benign, her kidneys are not obstructed and she is not anaemic, so waiting carries no immediate danger, and pressure symptoms often ease after the menopause.
- ●The difficulty is timing. CKS Menopause gives the mean UK age as 51. At 46, with a regular cycle and no flushes, she may have several years of hourly toilet trips, and the fibroid may grow meanwhile.
- ●No test predicts it. NICE NG23 advises against laboratory tests such as AMH, inhibin, oestradiol, antral follicle count and ovarian volume to identify menopause in people aged 45 or over. At her age it is a clinical diagnosis.
- ●If she later takes HRT, CKS advises it may enlarge the fibroid and bring symptoms back, although fibroids are not an absolute contraindication. Check fibroid symptoms at HRT reviews and consider specialist advice first.
When and How to Refer
- ●CKS advises specialist referral, with urgency set by clinical judgement, for uncertain diagnosis, severe compressive symptoms, symptoms that cannot be managed in primary care, fibroids of 3 cm or more and rapid or unexpected growth after the menopause. Charmaine meets two: a fibroid well over 3 cm and compressive symptoms affecting sleep and work. NICE NG88 also advises considering referral for fibroids of 3 cm or more.
- ●A routine gynaecology referral is the model answer. An urgent, not suspected cancer, referral is also reasonable.
- ●A referral is an offer, not an obligation. If she makes an informed choice to wait, record it, agree when to revisit it and make clear she can be referred at any point. A short defined trial of bladder measures with referral at review is also reasonable.
Specialist Treatment Options
- ●Hormonal shrinking treatments. GnRH analogue injections such as leuprorelin or goserelin create a temporary menopause and shrink fibroids. They are specialist treatments, licensed before surgery (for leuprorelin usually 3 to 4 months, maximum 6, BNF), and cause menopausal symptoms and loss of bone density, so they serve as preparation for surgery or a bridge to a close menopause. GnRH antagonist tablets (relugolix with estradiol and norethisterone, NICE TA832; linzagolix, TA996) are recommended for moderate to severe fibroid symptoms, although the trial evidence was mainly on heavy bleeding, so benefit for bulk symptoms is a specialist question.
- ●Uterine artery embolisation. Blocks the arteries feeding the fibroid through the femoral artery under local anaesthetic and sedation. It keeps the womb and recovery is faster than after surgery (NICE HTG240).
- ●Myomectomy removes the fibroid and keeps the womb. Hysterectomy is definitive. NG88 asks for a full discussion of its implications, and the NHS advises 6 to 8 weeks to recover from an abdominal operation.
- ●Treatments for heavy periods (levonorgestrel coil, tranexamic acid, NSAIDs, hormonal contraception) do not shrink fibroids and would not ease her bladder.
Helping Her Bladder in the Meantime
- ●Fluids. Stop restricting in the day; NG123 advises modifying high or low intake and the NHS suggests 6 to 8 drinks a day, with less in the hours before bed. NG123 recommends a trial of caffeine reduction, and tea is her main source.
- ●Bladder diary for at least 3 days, including a court day and a day off.
- ●Bladder training for at least 6 weeks is first line for urgency (NG123, CKS). It may help only partly when a fibroid takes up room.
- ●Medicines. If training is not enough, an antimuscarinic with the lowest acquisition cost can be added, or mirabegron or vibegron if antimuscarinics are unsuitable. Explain that benefit can take 4 weeks or more, that dry mouth and constipation are common, and that none shrinks the fibroid.
Work, Daily Life and Safety Netting
- ●She cannot leave the courtroom in a sitting, so practical planning matters as much as the clinical advice: drinking at lunch and going before each sitting. A fit note can say she is fit for work with adjustments such as toilet breaks, without signing her off. Her caring role for her father is why she fears surgery.
- ●Emergency department the same day: unable to pass urine, or a painful swollen lower abdomen. Same day contact: burning, fever, shivers or loin pain, or sudden severe pelvic pain. Prompt contact: visible blood in the urine, bleeding between periods or after sex, much heavier periods or fast growth.
- ●After the menopause, CKS advises referral for rapid or unexpected growth, which can rarely indicate leiomyosarcoma, and any postmenopausal bleeding needs urgent assessment.
- ●Agree a review, for example in about 6 weeks with the diary, or after the clinic letter.
Common Mistakes in This Station
- ●Treating the fibroid as incidental because her periods are normal, and managing the bladder alone.
- ●Prescribing a bladder medicine at this call, before bladder training and without fluid advice.
- ●Missing the daytime fluid restriction and the evening catch up.
- ●Promising the fibroid will shrink soon or the menopause is near, or offering a blood test to predict it.
- ●Telling her she cannot wait, or presenting hysterectomy as the only treatment, so she refuses any referral.
- ●Not offering a referral, or using a suspected cancer pathway for a typical fibroid with normal ovaries and CA125.
- ●Offering a hormonal coil or other heavy period treatment for pressure symptoms.
- ●Missing the leak in court, or giving advice that cannot work in a courtroom.
- ●Generic safety netting with no mention of retention, infection or what to watch for after the menopause.
Mapped to the RCGP curriculum topic: Gynaecology and Breast.
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