Heart Failure Asking the Doctor to Make Sure Nobody Resuscitates Him — Free SCA Practice Case
Man with heart failure asking the doctor to make sure nobody resuscitates him
Station Timer
Golden Minute
Initial Introduction
•Introduce yourself
•Ask an open question — "How can I help you today?"
•Listen — don't interrupt
•Catch early cues
Data Gathering
History, ICE & Diagnosis
Clinical Management
Diagnosis, Plan & Decisions
Safety Net
Follow-up & Close
Materials for Candidate
Please review before starting the consultation
Full Name
Gordon Petrie
Age
64 years
Consultation Type
VideoAge
64
Situation
Video Consultation, booked by the patient to discuss his wishes.
Reason for Encounter
"I want to make sure that if my heart stops, nobody tries to resuscitate me. I'd like it put in writing."
Medical Records
- ●PMH: Heart failure. Hypertension.
- ●Medications: Ramipril, bisoprolol, furosemide.
- ●Allergies: NKDA.
- ●Recent notes: Stable heart failure on treatment.
Patient Script
For the friend playing the patient role
Character Overview: You are Gordon, a 64-year-old restaurant owner with heart failure. You have booked this appointment because you want a decision put in place that you should not be resuscitated if your heart stops. This follows your brother's experience — he had a cardiac arrest, was resuscitated, but was left with a severe brain injury and now has no meaningful quality of life; you find it deeply distressing and describe him as "left a vegetable". You feel very strongly and have thought about it carefully. You have not discussed it with your wife or your two sons. You are calm and articulate. If the doctor engages with you respectfully and explains things (including involving your family), you are open to their guidance; if the doctor is evasive or uncertain, you press to have the form signed today.
Opening Sentence: "Thanks for seeing me, Doctor. I want to sort something out — if my heart ever stops, I do not want anyone trying to resuscitate me. I've thought about it a lot and I want it put in writing so it's clear."
History if Asked (Data Gathering Phase)
- ●Why now / the trigger: "My brother had a cardiac arrest, they brought him back, but he was left with a severe brain injury — no real quality of life. It broke me, seeing it. I never want that for myself."
- ●How settled the decision is: "I've thought about it carefully. It's not a whim. I feel very strongly about it."
- ●His health: "I've got heart failure, managed with tablets. I know it can get worse over time."
- ●Family: "I've not talked to my wife or my sons about it yet."
- ●What he wants: "I want the do-not-resuscitate form done, please."
ICE — Ideas, Concerns, Expectations
The patient does not volunteer this information unprompted. These responses surface only when the candidate directly explores his perspective.
- ●Ideas: Gordon understands CPR involves chest compressions and may not restore a good quality of life. "I know CPR is chest compressions and it doesn't always bring people back the way they were."
- ●Concerns: His dominant concern is surviving with a poor quality of life, like his brother. "My fear is being brought back but left like my brother — that terrifies me."
- ●Expectations: He wants a DNACPR form completed. "I want it in writing that I'm not for resuscitation."
If Asked — Understanding, Context, and Wishes Screen
The patient answers these only when directly asked.
- ●If asked, sensitively, how he is coping with his brother's situation: "It's been very hard. But this decision isn't me being depressed — it's a considered choice."
- ●If asked about his mood / whether this is a considered decision vs a grief reaction: "My mood's okay. I'm not depressed or acting on impulse — I've genuinely thought it through."
- ●If asked about his understanding of CPR (what it involves, outcomes, chance of good recovery): "Chest compressions, maybe shocks. I know the odds of walking away unharmed aren't great, especially if you're unwell."
- ●If asked about his heart failure and prognosis: "It's stable for now, but I understand it's a condition that can deteriorate."
- ●If asked about whether he's told his family: "No, not yet. I suppose I should."
- ●If asked about other treatments (would he still want antibiotics, hospital care, etc.): "Oh yes — I'd still want treating for other things. It's only resuscitation I don't want."
- ●If asked about any advance decisions/planning already in place: "Nothing formal yet — that's why I'm here."
- ●If asked about the questions he wants answered: "Is it legally binding? Could another doctor overrule it? And does it mean I wouldn't be admitted to hospital for other things?"
Responses to Management (The Negotiation Phase)
- ●If the Doctor explores his reasoning empathically: "Thank you for actually listening. It means a lot that you understand why." (The tested point is exploring the reasoning and emotional context with empathy.)
- ●If the Doctor explains CPR, DNACPR, ReSPECT, and advance decisions accurately: "So a DNACPR records the recommendation, and an advance decision is the legally binding refusal? I didn't realise there was a difference." (The tested point is accurately explaining and distinguishing DNACPR/ReSPECT/ADRT.)
- ●If the Doctor corrects the "no other treatment" misconception: "So it only applies to resuscitation — I'd still get treated and admitted for anything else? That's reassuring." (The tested point is correcting the common misconception that a DNACPR withholds other care.)
- ●If the Doctor encourages involving his family: "You think I should talk to my wife and sons? I can see why — I'll do that." (The tested point is sensitively encouraging family involvement.)
- ●If the Doctor explains the process/documentation: "So we document my wishes properly and review it, and it's shared with the ambulance service and hospital?"
Mark Scheme
Domain 1: Data Gathering and Diagnosis
Domain 2: Clinical Management and Medical Complexity
Domain 3: Relating to Others
Clinical Learning Points
Patient-Initiated Resuscitation Decisions
- ●Patients may initiate conversations about resuscitation. Such requests deserve respect, exploration of the reasoning, and an informed, unhurried discussion — neither dismissed nor acted on hastily.
Explore Reasoning and Ensure It Is Informed
- ●Explore why and why now (here, a relative's traumatic outcome), the emotional context (sensitively checking it is a considered decision, not impulsive grief or depression), and the patient's understanding of CPR and its outcomes.
DNACPR vs ReSPECT vs Advance Decision (ADRT)
- ●A DNACPR is a clinical recommendation that CPR should not be attempted. ReSPECT records personalised recommendations for emergency care (including CPR). An Advance Decision to Refuse Treatment (ADRT) is the legally binding way for a person with capacity to refuse CPR in advance — for life-sustaining treatment it must be written, signed, witnessed, and state it applies even if life is at risk.
Correct the Key Misconception
- ●A decision about CPR/DNACPR applies to CPR only — it does not mean withholding other treatment or hospital admission. Patients (and families) often misunderstand this; correct it explicitly.
Scope, Capacity, and Review
- ●Clarify the scope of the patient's wishes (CPR specifically), confirm capacity, and ensure decisions are documented, reviewed, and shared with relevant services. A valid, applicable ADRT must be followed; a DNACPR recommendation is reviewed in context.
Involve the Family and the Usual Clinician
- ●Sensitively encourage involving the family (while respecting the patient's autonomy), and involve the usual GP/appropriate clinician so the process is proper — especially for a relatively well person with a chronic, potentially progressive condition.
Compassion and Communication
- ●Handle these emotive conversations with compassion, clarity, and respect for autonomy, correcting misconceptions and agreeing clear next steps.
Common Candidate Mistakes in This Case
- ●Dismissing or deflecting the request: or, conversely, signing a form hastily without proper process.
- ●Getting the law wrong: confusing DNACPR/ReSPECT/ADRT or misanswering whether it is binding/can be overridden.
- ●Failing to correct the misconception: leaving him thinking a DNACPR withholds all treatment.
- ●Not exploring reasoning/understanding: missing the emotional context or failing to ensure the decision is informed.
- ●Ignoring family involvement or documentation: omitting the practical and relational steps that make the decision safe and clear.